axolotl-ai-cloud--axolotl/docs/optimizers.qmd

---
title: Optimizers
description: Configuring optimizers
---

## Overview

Axolotl supports all optimizers supported by [transformers OptimizerNames](https://github.com/huggingface/transformers/blob/51f94ea06d19a6308c61bbb4dc97c40aabd12bad/src/transformers/training_args.py#L142-L187)

Here is a list of optimizers supported by transformers as of `v4.54.0`:

- `adamw_torch`
- `adamw_torch_fused`
- `adamw_torch_xla`
- `adamw_torch_npu_fused`
- `adamw_apex_fused`
- `adafactor`
- `adamw_anyprecision`
- `adamw_torch_4bit`
- `adamw_torch_8bit`
- `ademamix`
- `sgd`
- `adagrad`
- `adamw_bnb_8bit`
- `adamw_8bit`  # alias for adamw_bnb_8bit
- `ademamix_8bit`
- `lion_8bit`
- `lion_32bit`
- `paged_adamw_32bit`
- `paged_adamw_8bit`
- `paged_ademamix_32bit`
- `paged_ademamix_8bit`
- `paged_lion_32bit`
- `paged_lion_8bit`
- `rmsprop`
- `rmsprop_bnb`
- `rmsprop_bnb_8bit`
- `rmsprop_bnb_32bit`
- `galore_adamw`
- `galore_adamw_8bit`
- `galore_adafactor`
- `galore_adamw_layerwise`
- `galore_adamw_8bit_layerwise`
- `galore_adafactor_layerwise`
- `lomo`
- `adalomo`
- `grokadamw`
- `schedule_free_radam`
- `schedule_free_adamw`
- `schedule_free_sgd`
- `apollo_adamw`
- `apollo_adamw_layerwise`
- `stable_adamw`


## Custom Optimizers

Enable custom optimizers by passing a string to the `optimizer` argument. Each optimizer will receive beta and epsilon args, however, some may accept additional args which are detailed below.

### optimi_adamw

```yaml
optimizer: optimi_adamw
```

### ao_adamw_4bit

Deprecated: Please use `adamw_torch_4bit`.

### ao_adamw_8bit

Deprecated: Please use `adamw_torch_8bit`.

### ao_adamw_fp8


```yaml
optimizer: ao_adamw_fp8
```

### adopt_adamw

GitHub: [https://github.com/iShohei220/adopt](https://github.com/iShohei220/adopt)
Paper: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.02853](https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.02853)

```yaml
optimizer: adopt_adamw
```

### came_pytorch

GitHub: [https://github.com/yangluo7/CAME/tree/master](https://github.com/yangluo7/CAME/tree/master)
Paper: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.02047](https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.02047)

```yaml
optimizer: came_pytorch

# optional args (defaults below)
adam_beta1: 0.9
adam_beta2: 0.999
adam_beta3: 0.9999
adam_epsilon: 1e-30
adam_epsilon2: 1e-16
```

### muon

Blog: [https://kellerjordan.github.io/posts/muon/](https://kellerjordan.github.io/posts/muon/)
Paper: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.16982v1](https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.16982v1)

```yaml
optimizer: muon
```

### dion

Microsoft's Dion (DIstributed OrthoNormalization) optimizer is a scalable and communication-efficient
orthonormalizing optimizer that uses low-rank approximations to reduce gradient communication.

GitHub: [https://github.com/microsoft/dion](https://github.com/microsoft/dion)
Paper: [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.05295](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.05295)
Note: Implementation written for PyTorch 2.7+ for DTensor

```yaml
optimizer: dion
dion_lr: 0.01
dion_momentum: 0.95
lr: 0.00001  # learning rate for embeddings and parameters that fallback to AdamW
```

### sinkgd

SinkGD (Gradient Multi-Normalization) is a **stateless** optimizer: 2D linear weight
matrices are updated via the SR-Sinkhorn procedure (alternating row/column L2
normalization of the raw gradient, no momentum or variance state), while embeddings,
the LM head, and 1D params (norms/biases) fall back to AdamW. The AdamW fallback uses
torchao's 8-bit optimizer base, so optimizer-state memory is very small (~87% less than
8-bit AdamW on an 8B full finetune, since the ~87% of params that are 2D linear carry
zero optimizer state).

Requires PyTorch >= 2.5.1 (relies on torchao's low-bit optimizer base and `torch.compile`).

Paper: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.06742](https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.06742)

```yaml
optimizer: sinkgd
learning_rate: 0.001
optim_args:
  sinkhorn_iters: 5      # number of SR-Sinkhorn row/column normalization iterations
  sinkgd_lr_scale: 0.05  # α scale applied to linear-layer updates
```

#### Width transfer (`sinkgd_base_width`) and spectral normalization

Two optional, default-off knobs help the learning rate transfer across model width and
condition the update. `sinkgd_base_width` and `sinkgd_spectral_target: muon` are **mutually
exclusive** — both correct for width, so enabling both double-counts (validated and rejected
at construction). Spectral norm at the default `unit` target combines fine with
`sinkgd_base_width`, since it conditions the update without touching width scaling.

**Width-aware scaling (`sinkgd_base_width`).** SinkGD's update is *Adam-class*: its per-layer
learning rate should scale as `1/d_in`. Set `sinkgd_base_width` to the hidden size you tuned
`sinkgd_lr_scale` on, and each 2D-linear update is scaled by
`alpha_eff = sinkgd_lr_scale * (base_width / d_in) ** sinkgd_lr_width_exponent`
(`d_in` is the layer's input dim — the shared input of a fused QKV / gate-up matrix). With
`sinkgd_base_width` unset, behavior is identical to before (plain scalar `sinkgd_lr_scale`),
so existing configs are unchanged.

```yaml
optim_args:
  sinkgd_lr_scale: 0.05
  sinkgd_base_width: 2048        # d_in you tuned sinkgd_lr_scale at; enables 1/d_in transfer
  sinkgd_lr_width_exponent: 1.0  # 1.0 = pure 1/d_in (default); tune only if width varies >10x
```

**Spectral normalization (`sinkgd_spectral_norm`).** Rescales each update to a target operator
norm via a cheap warm-started power iteration (~2 matvecs/layer, +1–3% step time, one
`O(d_in)` state vector per matrix). With `sinkgd_spectral_target: muon` it pins the operator
norm to `sqrt(d_out/d_in)`, which makes SinkGD *Muon-class* and both transfers across width and
trained to lower loss than plain `1/d_in` in width sweeps — so use it **instead of**
`sinkgd_base_width`, not with it. `unit` (the default target) pins a width-independent norm and
acts as a pure conditioning stabilizer on top of `1/d_in`.

```yaml
optim_args:
  sinkgd_lr_scale: 0.05
  sinkgd_spectral_norm: true
  sinkgd_spectral_target: muon   # spectral norm owns width transfer (leave sinkgd_base_width unset)
  sinkgd_spectral_norm_iters: 1  # power-iteration steps per update (warm-started; 1–2 is enough)
```

Distributed (`fsdp_version: 2`): width-aware scaling and spectral norm both work under FSDP2/TP
sharding. On replicated / expert-sharded weights everything runs locally with no extra
communication. On a matrix-dim-sharded weight (the common FSDP2 row-sharded case) the spectral
norm's power iteration adds **one small vector all-reduce** (length `d_in` or `d_out`) per
iteration over the `dp_shard` group — the same shape and group as SR-Sinkhorn's existing
norm-vector reduce, and the matrix itself is never gathered. The persisted power-iteration
vector round-trips through FSDP2 checkpoints.

#### Fused Triton kernels (`sinkgd_fused_kernel`)

`sinkgd_fused_kernel: true` replaces the compiled update with fused Triton kernels (one
kernel per SR-Sinkhorn iteration; the column scale, power iteration, and weight update fold
into the same passes). Works for all SinkGD variants (plain, spectral norm, MD sphere) on
single-device and FSDP2 rows-sharded weights — same all-reduce count as the compiled path,
with an automatic tall/wide grid layout so both full matrices and heavily-sharded wide-short
local shards stay fully occupied. Measured on B200: 1.4–1.75x on the optimizer step
single-GPU, 1.0–1.8x on 2-rank FSDP2, all regimes ≥1x with the wide layout. Numerics are
equivalent at bf16 rounding scale but not byte-identical to the compiled path, so the flag
is off by default. Falls back to the compiled path for cols-sharded (TP) weights,
`bf16_stochastic_round`, or when Triton is unavailable. Spectral-norm / MD-sphere updates
that run without a shard group to amortize against (single device, or replicated /
expert-sharded weights under FSDP2) also fall back when the matrix has fewer than
`sinkgd_fused_min_numel` elements (default `2^25`) — at those sizes the epilogue's extra
kernel launches make the compiled path faster.

```yaml
optim_args:
  sinkgd_fused_kernel: true
```

#### Weight-sphere variant (`sinkgd_md_sphere`, experimental)

`sinkgd_md_sphere: true` switches to an experimental magnitude–direction variant: each
SinkGD-routed 2D weight is held on a fixed Frobenius sphere (`||W||_F` anchored at enable
time), the SR-Sinkhorn update is spectral-normalized to unit operator norm, applied, and the
weight is reprojected onto the sphere (no learnable gains — SinkGD's row/column balancing makes
them redundant). In width/depth sweeps this bounds the deepest-layer activation growth most
tightly of any variant, but its optimal LR is **width-dependent** (`lr_opt ∝ d_model**-0.6`)
and its optimum is narrow, so it needs per-scale LR tuning and is **off by default**. Prefer the
plain spectral-norm path (above) unless you specifically want the tightest activation bound.
It adds a per-matrix scalar all-reduce (the sphere's global Frobenius norm) on top of the
spectral all-reduce under FSDP2; the sphere radius and power-iteration vector round-trip.

```yaml
optim_args:
  sinkgd_md_sphere: true
  sinkgd_lr_scale: 0.05
  # tune learning_rate per width: lr_opt ~ d_model**-0.6 (e.g. ~0.03 at d=2048)
```

### q_galore_adamw8bit

Q-GaLore extends [GaLore](https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.03507) with two extra ideas:
an INT4-quantized projection matrix and an adaptive SVD scheduler that skips
re-projection when a layer's gradient subspace stabilizes. Both are wired up in
axolotl. The third Q-GaLore trick — INT8 weight wrapping — is not yet
implemented and is tracked as a follow-up.

GitHub: [https://github.com/VITA-Group/Q-GaLore](https://github.com/VITA-Group/Q-GaLore)
Paper: [https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.08296](https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.08296)

Install: `pip install axolotl[qgalore]`

This optimizer is for **full fine-tuning**. It is incompatible with `adapter`
(LoRA/QLoRA), `load_in_8bit`, and `load_in_4bit`. DeepSpeed is currently gated
off; FSDP requires `fsdp_version: 2` with `use_orig_params: true`.

```yaml
optimizer: q_galore_adamw8bit
bf16: true

# which parameter substrings get the low-rank projection
# (defaults to ["attn", "mlp"] if unset — matches the reference impl)
optim_target_modules:
  - attn
  - mlp

# Q-GaLore hyperparameters (defaults shown)
qgalore_rank: 256
qgalore_update_proj_gap: 200       # max steps between SVD refreshes
qgalore_scale: 0.25
qgalore_proj_type: std
qgalore_proj_quant: true           # INT-quantize the projection matrix P
qgalore_proj_bits: 4               # bitwidth for P
qgalore_proj_group_size: 256       # must divide P's last dim evenly
qgalore_cos_threshold: 0.4         # skip SVD if P_t is this similar to P_{t-1}
qgalore_gamma_proj: 2              # grow update_proj_gap by this factor when stable
qgalore_queue_size: 5
```